Hi all,
Today, Andrew Waldman and his wife, briefed some of the Officers of UCO, on his plan for developing the golf course by building residential housing units.
UCO was in listening mode and expressed no position (advocacy) on this plan. Present at this briefing were UCO President George Loewenstein, Vice Presidents; Bob Marshall, Jerry Karpf and Dave Israel. Also present was UCO Treasurer, Dorothy Tetro.
UCO expressed no opinion, preferring to hear first from the Unit Owners of Century Village, as to their desires in this regard.
Mr Waldman has prepared a slide show composed of Power Point graphics, depicting his preliminary plan.
It was decided that first he would brief the principally affected Umbrella Associations; Golf's Edge, Greenbrier and Southampton. The briefings will be given only if the Associations desire to see them. Mr. Waldman will be contacting the Presidents.
It is my belief, not necessarily shared by the other UCO Officers, that all Unit Owners should hear the plan and then decide if they want the golf course developed for housing units.
Dave Israel
Wednesday, May 6, 2009
GOLF COURSE BRIEFING
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The Developer should present his plan to all unit owners. I would dearly like to hear and see the power point presentation of the preliminary Plan.
Hi Mike,
Consider asking your Delegate to make a motion at the Delegate Assembly.
Dave Israel
I was surprised that Shapkin did not even ask for a sense of the Del mtg but then he only needs his own view. I listened to him on ch 63, what did he say!
In total agreement with Mike's
posting...
If we are to stand together then we should all be aware of what the presentation is and how it will affect not only the perimeter bldgs but the whole village. We must work as "ONE"
Barbara
What an excellent timing from the golf owners to start the consultation process. How will the 12,000 to 14,000 residents be informed and consulted. Having only 1500 internet connected units in the Village during the peak season is significant in itself.
So let's forget the communication and consultation process with all owners...its for the birds. In this Village the legitimate process for decision is well established with UCO and the Delegates Meeting. Like it or not that's what it is.
There are only two options here anyway, either you oppose or agree to any type of housing development on the golf course.
The last time that this came up we opposed the change in zoning for a housing project of some 600 units. Why would it be different this time? Nothing significant took place to expect a change of hearth of the owners.
Last time the developer Horton never tested the County Commission for a decision. This time around, the golf course owner and certainly an unidentified developer, may try their luck. I read somewhere that they have the necessary contacts with the Commission.
If this is so let them go ahead and we will do our own homework with the politicians. Andre
Why would a builder want to start a new condo development at this economic time? From my standpoint, as a CV owner there remains a major enviromental impact, a traffic impact, a water impact, and an over-population impact. I think the CV delegate assembly should oppose any zoning change, as we did in the past. Why is it different now?
I agree with what Sy said. He should begin with the delegates in his building and ask them to contact the delegates in all the other buildings and work as one group. This way, at a delegate meeting, they will have a power group and a better chance of convincing all the delegates to vote against the housing development.
Could the presentation be given in the theater and videod to CH63.
Would be better than rumors, and the posturing and distortions of the 12.
I do not remember previous golf course decision, when was that? in the good ole summer time.
Elaine,if I recall well the demonstration against the golf development were held during the winter season.
Horton the developer never push further his plan with the County after this message from the Village people.!!!! Andre
Dave- what did you think of the presentation and the proposed development? How, or to who, do you think this new housing will be marketed, and how do you think you and I will be impacted? Boil it down for us.
This is still a democracy, not a UCO controlled facist state.
Each unit owner within 1000 ft of the golf course will be notified in writing of the zoning change that is required to build houses on a piece of land Levy listed as recreation land in perpetuity.
Each INDIVIDUAL has the right to address the Palm Beach County Commissioners at a hearing.
I am sick and tired of developers, special interest groups and political "clubs" taking away my rights.
We do not need UCO to speak for us.
Hi A Nony Mouse
May 7, 2009 3:30:00 PM,
You are absolutely correct; and UCO has no intention of "speaking for anyone", unless specifically requested to do so by a vote of a WELL INFORMED Delegate Assembly.
Now, the situation is, and has been for over 4 years, that a small Ad-Hoc Committee has been speaking for the entire Village. This Ad-Hoc Committee has met repeatedly with the Developer, Mr. Waldman, and has heard, EXCLUSIVELY, his plan.
The only intent of the current exercise, is to allow the entire Village to see this plan and then to inform the Developer of their collective will.
Perhaps if the Developers hears thousands of voices against this development of "our" Golf course, they will pack up and move on.
Of course, any citizen of the Republic is at liberty to take whatever action that they see fit; welcome to America.
Dave Israel
Hi Don4060
May 7, 2009 2:41:00 PM,
Before I answer this question; I must make it clear that I am a NON-ADVOCATE of this project. I reside in Greenbrier C and will look out over this new Village, were it to be built. I am merely an advocate of everyone hearing the story, and having their voice heard.
The preliminary plans calls for 550 units consisting of Single family, and multifamily dwelling units.
The design calls for a large lake in front of Southampton and consequently in back of Greenbrier B. otherwise there is lots of Greenspace and wide buffers, between 200 and 300 feet, between CV and the new development. There is also a large lake behind Greenbrier C.
The target Demographic for this housing is Firefighters, Police, County workers, not Senior Citizens, but they would not be excluded.
The pricing will be averaging around 250K(obviously excluding many of our Villagers). The operative phrase is "mixed Use housing", A convenience store is a possibility; but it is not clear how, serious Security concerns will be addressed.
As for impact; the initial building phase could be rough, especially during the dry season where dust and dirt will be an obvious concomitant of digging and construction, not to mention construction noise.
Traffic is of course a consideration; given 550 units at 1.5 cars per unit, 825 additional vehicles might be anticipated. This is not a deal breaker in the current environment of over 60 thousand vehicles passing by our Village daily on average, much higher in season.
If the pricing is as outlined, the impact on the value of our units "might" increase, that is a tough call.
Hopefully, in due course, you will also see the briefing, and make up your own mind.
This will be a tough fight:
The County seeks projects that will increase the Tax Base, increase employment and "Jump Start" the local economy. The Developer currently pays $27K in property taxes, after development and rollout, the taxes from the new Village will be circa 1.5 million dollars.
Rig for Heavy Weather!!!
Dave Israel
Thank You. Well done.
Your description of the “target demographic” set off alarm bells in my brain. The last time that I heard of that particular target demographic was for a NYC housing project in the Arverne section of Queens. The only cops and firemen that I have ever seen in that place were wearing full body armor and spraying water on burning cars. Thank You Robert Moses, burn in hell.
So I guess that I am a non-advocate too.
I ,too, share your concerns, as I see no benefit in just rolling over and letting a developer “do his thing”. I also agree the proposal should be “aired” enabling all interested parties to inform their delegate so a Vote on this would be INCLUSIVE of those villagers that want their voices heard.
No entity or “group” should restrict the stream of information. Even that “group” should be better informed, and to know where the residents stand on this. Frankly, if the vote does not support the view to fund a legal battle, then the “group” may desire to negotiate a resolution rather than attempt to fight this in court with no money.
Either way having the facts, voting your view........ is much better than the threatened impeachment or outright civil war.
The unknown is the enemy, not those officers of UCO who are upholding their Oath of office or the Owner of the Golf Course..............life goes on and the Delegate Assembly rules................your view is important.
You decide!
Don 4060 took the words right out of my mouth concerning the target demographic , lets see the presentation and we can all decide if we are for or against. I personally like greenbelt and would rather the course not be developed .
Have you thought what West Palm really needs, and that the golf course would be a perfect place for it? We need a hospital. A big hospital that can handle most anything. At least the size of the Gardens Hospital. Think about this. We are senior citizens; we should not be forced to go for a trip to reach a hospital. THINK!!!
JUst curious , Is the present owner of the Golf course the same person or persons who Levy sold to ?
David, be aware of someone promising you a lake in front of your building. It may end up being a wasteland or a swamp like we have around here.
There has to be a third way beside for or against a housing development. Let's put our thinking hat and think about what to do with a recreational zoning area.
I strongly believe that a well managed, maintained and groomed golf course with reasonable rates and help from UCO and WPRF could bring value to our Village and be profitable.
That would stop this parade every 2 to 3 years. Andre
I guess, after thinking about it, that I am not against new housing, especially planned, gated, HOA type development. Given the probability that SOMETHING will eventually be built on that site, even if not this time around, anything is better than the trailers full of hookers and meth labs on the other side of Okie.
My problem is that I know in my bones that the 250,000 proposed sale price will drop to 149,999, the credit market will eventually loosen up and the same problematic, unstable, one percent down type tenants disguised as homeowners will take over the place and then abandon it when the economy takes its' next shit. Then what?
I am not against affordable housing. I plan to be living in affordable housing very soon myself. In Century Village. I'm just sayin....
Hi Mike
May 8, 2009 11:08:00 AM,
No.
In August, 1991 Mr Levy sold the Golf course to one Brad Dressler for the price of:
$350,000.00
SEE: Book 06947 Page 43
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In February, 2004 Mr Dressler sold the course to Andrew Waldman & his wife, the current owners, for the sum of:
$2,300,000.00
SEE: Book 16622 Page 317
Dave Israel
Hi Andre
May 8, 2009 11:09:00 AM,
You are preaching to the choir, you need to convince Mr. Waldman and spouse; the current owners of the course!
Dave Israel
The property is zoned recreational.
This guy buys the property as a golf course and driving range and knew what the property was zoned. What hardship is he claiming to rezone the property.
Dave , Does your group have an up to date Zoning Regs.book?
Hi Mike
May 8, 2009 9:07:00 PM &
May 8, 2009 9:38:00 PM,
Yes, the Property iz "zoned" as a Golf Course, in perpetuity on the Plat. These sorts of restrictions are overturned all the time Mike;not even requiring a Court decision.
Rezoning can be done by the Zoning Commission under the direction of County PZB. Once rezoned, the plan will come before the Board of County Commissioners, Where the Developer only needs 4 out of 7 votes to make the project happen.
It is at these two choke points that our battle must be won.
As to Zoning regs; they are to be found principally at the PZB site and of course in the ULDC; Uniform Land, Development Code.
Don't waste your time; the acreage supports up to 1200 units in the code.
I say again; Rig for Heavy Weather!!
Dave Israel
The days where developers ran Palm Beach County are over.
The people are now in charge.
As soon as the Feds are done with the county commissioners, they promised us they would take down all the corrupt developers.
Levy, look out.
Does 1 really elieve that WPRF will spend money on the golf course? They were smart to get rid of it and make money. In what dream world are you living? In the same breath you mention UCO. I really don't want UCO putting their hand in my pocket for the golf course. The golf course looks to be a loosing proposition with not many players each day. Lets get real. Who would continue to run a business and not make money?
Hi A Nony Mouse
May 9, 2009 9:06:00 AM,
I am not sure where some of these ideas come from.
There is no indication of any intent by UCO or WPRF to expend 1 penny of Unit Owner money on the Golf Course.
Dave Israel
There are 7 anonymous on this tread. Who are they? What is their agenda? Who do they represent? UCO, WPRF, Waldman or nobody?
I would like to quote from an Editorial I read yesterday:
''The guts of a name''
In a democracy it is not only esential that every one can self express his opinion. It is also essential that everyone act openly. Secret and anonymous are the hiding places of those who do not dare facing public opinion. Those are not true democrats.
Why so many bloggers are trying very hard to hide thier identity? Because it allows a licence to write whatever, to insult, invent, decide, act, affirm, critic or denounce, without showing their faces.
Al those things are much easier to do anonymously than openly under your identity. A No Ny Mouse, have a good day. Andre
Dear Andre,
Why anonymouse????
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO DIE !!!!!
You are living in Corruption County.
Three of your leaders are in jail; and one just quit out of fear.
The Constitution of the United States of America does not apply in Palm Beach County...especially in Century Village.
Can't wait till the Feds get to Century Village.. then I will be
LMAO
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, ANYONE WHO WRITES A COMMENT, AND SIGNS IT "ANNONYMOUS," LOSES CREDIBILITY WITH ME. I JUST IGNORE WHAT THEY HAVE WRITTEN, AND MOVE ON.
These anonymous people are just plain psychotic and paranoid. Do they really believe they are so important that someone is coming to get them? If you believe in what you say put your name behind it and stand up like a person and not hide under a rock!
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